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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained live on beyond

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explanation i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you within the cannon shot

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of the howlfields of gettysburg

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pennsylvania thank you for joining me

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now tonight

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our guest is mike robinson and

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it was at the tender age of seven that

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mike robinson penned or penciled his

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first story

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the aliens that invaded my backyard

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a runaway international bestseller went

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on to win the world fantasy award hugo

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award and was shortlisted for the man

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booker prize

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he later became an author of multiple

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books mike is a native of los angeles

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where he became a screenwriter and

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producer not to mention co-editor of the

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magazine literary landscapes for the

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greater los angeles writers society from

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2011 to 2018.

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a short film he co-wrote crystalline

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debuted at the louisiana international

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film festival in 2016.

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in his feature film

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corral a psychological supernatural

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thriller is working through post

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so mike thanks for joining me this

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evening

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hi lon uh thank you so much i should

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clarify really quickly that that those

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accolades that you read those those were

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uh a joke

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because as i noted because i know that

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those accolades were also the product of

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my imagination well that's good yeah i

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mean you've got a good imagination

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that's great in case anyone else is

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wondering like wait wait he won the

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booklet at seven yeah

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well you know we talked a bit before the

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and you can you and i it's funny you and

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i are kind of on the same wavelength

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we'll be talking about cryptids and such

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and supernatural and unexplained sure um

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of course you've been writing

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novels

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in in reference to a lot of this type of

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so what got you really started or

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interested in the unexplained

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it's a good it's a good question because

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i think it just sort of happened

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organically when i started writing i was

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big into sports and i started writing

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sports stories and then i started

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reading

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uh stephen king and um arl stein and

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ray bradbury and others and i just never

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looked back in terms of subject material

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and like the the book that or the you

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know the little handwritten short story

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that you mentioned the aliens that

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invaded my backyard i wrote that when i

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was like eight something like that

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then eventually just i kept kept writing

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and loving to write

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i uh

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received and i think

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in about fifth grade uh sixth grade i

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received uh as a christmas present

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um the unexplained which uh one of carl

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shuker's books

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and uh the illustrated guide to the

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world's normal and paranormal or

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supernatural and paranormal events

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and uh and that just that became a huge

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influence in terms of just wealth of

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possible material for me to draw from

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and of course the x-files came along and

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then i would see you know a number of

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movies and read a number of books

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and eventually i sold my first story at

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age 19

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and then just kept writing trying to

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write a book a year

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some better than others and then

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and have just been actually and that was

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that was skunk game semester that was

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the first edition of skunk ape semester

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that i sold um as my first publication

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of of a book length story

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uh and then i've just been publishing

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well you know skunk a semester you know

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i looked over it and i was i was reading

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a lot of different different accounts in

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what's the nexus of that uh what got you

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started and actually

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uh first of all were you involved in any

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of the story plots

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uh so it's a fictionalized account

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of a road trip so that i guess i would

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say that the nexus of the story is a

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road trip that this professor takes with

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a couple of graduates um

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places of

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various strange reputes so

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um he's a zoologist and because of an

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encounter in florida with a skunk ape

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when he was a child

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is also

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somewhat closeted bigfoot researcher

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and so he kind of does that on the side

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and he has his own

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his own thing uh and then he has a bit

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of a health scare and he he's always

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wanted to take a road trip to

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to uh bigfoot hot spots and other

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strange hot spots around the country so

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he takes a sabbatical and uh has a

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couple of of recent graduates accompany

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him

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and they bounce around the country and

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it's it's not

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one thing i really wanted to do with

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this book is to treat all the

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the cryptids and the phenomena seriously

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and and sober mindedly i didn't want

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because someone so much bigfoot fiction

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is just

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jaws with claws or you know furry jaws

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you know running

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running from this you know rampaging

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monster or something like that and i

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wanted this to be a little bit more

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just literary for lack of a better word

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and psychological and philosophical

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toward the subject of of bigfoot's

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existence or quasi-existence everyone

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wants to put it um but it's also a

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collection of stuff that

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i've sort of massaged fictionally from

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my um my own road trip that i took to a

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lot of these spots

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as well as just the synthesis of other

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people i've talked to in alaska when i

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was there on a separate trip

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um and other places you know in northern

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california

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about uh and just random encounters i've

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had with people who've

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expressed to me that they've had

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um

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experiences with the strange

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uh and particularly bigfoot i mean he's

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kind of the the

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you know the sasquatch is kind of the

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linchpin here but he's a 800-pound grill

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right exactly

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yeah gigantopithecus or

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any other thing that you want to but uh

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yeah so but i also touch on sky beast i

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touch on the dover demon i touch on the

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vortexes and the skateboard

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lizard man right yeah the lizard man

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yeah yeah yeah and the um

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uh the kelly goblins

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um and uh champ and lake champlain so

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a number of things well you know you and

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you did hit on one area that's very

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familiar with me which is the south

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mountain area more specifically

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the uh um

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misha state forest and caledonia state

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which are exactly 20 miles west of me

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uh you got to go to gettysburg and

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they're on the other side of gettysburg

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especially people who live in this area

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and of course one of my uh one of my

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investigators and friends uh

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timothy renner he's got an

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he's got an investigative research area

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in me show so you know i i hear a lot

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about what happens out there plus oh

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that's cool i g i've had reports for

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you know about what happens in in the

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area

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but uh you know you you talked about

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under the premise of being so close to

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the appalachian trail

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and that's something you know it's

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interesting and you brought that up

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because that's something i've always

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wanted to do get a survey of people who

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travel up and down the appalachian trail

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and some of the encounters they they

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have now occasionally i will get one

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that you know they will talk to me about

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somebody will tell me about something

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but uh it does happen and i think

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there's a lot more that happens out

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there as i mean that's act then that's

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what actually reported oh i'm sure yeah

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i find that um

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i mean not that i've done my due

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diligence but i find it interesting that

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had we've had we have a number of books

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people conquering you know the triple

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crown three big hikes in the in in

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america or the appalachian trail but

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to my knowledge we don't really have a

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a collection of of bizarre or paranormal

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stories or you know

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an anthology of

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um true testimonials from

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hikers who've encountered weird things

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along those hikes i think that would be

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a really interesting collection i think

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it would too you know and i've got i

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don't know if i've got enough to put a

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book make a book but uh right i've got

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several i've had over the years a lot of

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different stuff too i mean you know

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you're talking about

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bigfoot and uh weird humanoids and not

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thing just the phenomena they call not

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deer

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um

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telling you that the hot spots

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seems to be the area

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between the george washington national

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forest down in west virginia which is

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not far from the skyline drive

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north up and through uh maryland

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pennsylvania in through michoa

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and up into camp hill pennsylvania now

298
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there's been several murders on on the

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appalachian trail oh yeah definitely

300
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there have been some that haven't been

301
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you know they haven't been

302
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concluded especially not in virginia

303
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uh

304
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and

305
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there are people who swear that

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a wild man or a bigfoot or something

307
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have been responsible for some of the

308
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those though you really don't know

309
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sure

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the appalachian trail seems to to

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i don't know it seems to attract a lot

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of bad people and a lot of strange

313
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phenomena oh absolutely yeah yeah i mean

314
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bigfoot i know has been known to trash

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cabins and things like that oh

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absolutely um yeah i don't uh

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um

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yeah i wouldn't be able to say uh what

319
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uh

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mysterious deaths he might be

321
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responsible for but

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um

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yeah i imagine that that wouldn't even

324
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be they'd probably go missing like i

325
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don't even know if they would find a

326
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body if that were the case

327
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well there have been times when people

328
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are just going missing and you know of

329
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course there's a lot of theories on that

330
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uh you know with the missing knot four

331
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but you know that's

332
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that's a lot of conjecture there

333
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but i i believe

334
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in the areas that we're talking about in

335
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particular with the appalachian trail

336
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and you know in this part of the country

337
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i i think if it's not human related i i

338
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think

339
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it's possibly a bigfoot or an upright

340
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canine

341
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and uh down in that george washington

342
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national forest i know there have been

343
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three deaths

344
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uh

345
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and at least one that's been unexplained

346
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wow and uh they just really don't know

347
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what it was i mean i've talked to

348
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several rangers down there and um

349
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you know they have seen they have seen

350
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their share of weird stuff

351
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so uh you know but honestly i haven't

352
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talked to any of the rangers up in the

353
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show

354
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they've been doing a lot of work up

355
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there lately and a lot of the park has

356
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been refurbished

357
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oh yeah

358
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yeah yeah yeah i i you know it's

359
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interesting i went up there

360
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i was up there about

361
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three or four weeks ago

362
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and i went you know as you come off of

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route 30 on to the pine grove furnace

364
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road

365
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uh you go right into caledonia and uh

366
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they've got all kinds of buildings and

367
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stuff in areas where we used to camp at

368
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so they've done a lot of refurbishing up

369
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there it's um it's it's not like it used

370
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to be though it's still such a

371
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mysterious place i i told you we um

372
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that that pine group that pine grove

373
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furnace road uh or pond i guess that's

374
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the name of it i can't exactly remember

375
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but

376
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that goes north up into an area called

377
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mount holly springs

378
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but it goes past laurel lake forward

379
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lake and a few other areas but a lot of

380
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it and a lot of cabins along that route

381
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and we have had uh we have had dogman

382
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upright k9 bigfoot sightings all up and

383
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long down up and down that road for

384
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years now yeah wow okay yeah

385
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yeah

386
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place um what are some of the uh the

387
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leading theories behind the dog men and

388
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the nature of them um and you mentioned

389
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werewolves when we were

390
00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:11,600
talking earlier but they seem distinct

391
00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:13,440
yeah um

392
00:14:17,509 --> 00:14:15,360
you know i i think

393
00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:17,519
you know i told you earlier that when

394
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the when the pennsylvania dutch uh

395
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a lot of these farmers that came from

396
00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:24,880
the old country moved this in this area

397
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and when they first came here they lived

398
00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:28,320
in pennsylvania but a lot of moved down

399
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into western maryland

400
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and

401
00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:34,720
for a while especially back in the 60s

402
00:14:38,949 --> 00:14:37,040
there were a lot of upright k9 and what

403
00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,959
they they attributed to being werewolves

404
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:40,240
sightings

405
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:42,000
uh sure right they were actually calling

406
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,320
it the duo that was the name they were

407
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:45,920
using

408
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and there were seven very well known

409
00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:52,240
encounters in frederick county maryland

410
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for you know back in the

411
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early to mid 60s

412
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but then we started getting sightings up

413
00:15:02,230 --> 00:14:59,680
here now there were some historical

414
00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:02,240
sightings um

415
00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:04,639
you know a lot of uh logger settings

416
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,440
that had encounters with these things

417
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:09,600
miners uh

418
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you know of course they have a lot of

419
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:13,360
old coal mines around here as well

420
00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:16,240
but in recent years we've been getting

421
00:15:21,269 --> 00:15:17,120
just

422
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up now

423
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i'll be honest with you i think for the

424
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most part these are supernatural beings

425
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:27,519
right yeah

426
00:15:31,509 --> 00:15:28,800
yeah i'm uh

427
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oh sorry go ahead go ahead go ahead um

428
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the uh yeah because i wonder if they

429
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might be

430
00:15:39,829 --> 00:15:36,160
uh

431
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:39,839
broadly categorized as faye or among the

432
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,399
pharaoh all right good question i have a

433
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,279
uh very good friend who's sensitive to

434
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:46,720
um

435
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:50,880
things as well and and a lot of the

436
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:53,040
times they take on kind of animal

437
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characteristics

438
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:58,480
you know that's a good question i i i

439
00:16:01,189 --> 00:16:00,160
had to consider looking into that

440
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:01,199
because

441
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:02,800
you know we we do

442
00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:05,360
kind of get into the elemental type of

443
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,160
uh realm and stuff i'm intuitive myself

444
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,639
so i've had a lot of yeah i've had a lot

445
00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:12,720
of incidents that i've been that i've

446
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:15,040
had happen to me but some of the some of

447
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:17,440
these sightings of these things

448
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:20,639
uh just just warning in particular was

449
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:24,320
up in uh blair county pennsylvania not

450
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:26,320
far from altoona where these gentlemen

451
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,360
had were traveling late at night

452
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:31,040
they were part of a band actually and

453
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,399
they were traveling at night by two in

454
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:33,759
the morning and they saw this thing on

455
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:35,199
the side of road looked like it was

456
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:37,199
eating roadkill

457
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:39,199
and

458
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:42,079
couldn't believe what they were seeing

459
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:44,639
but this thing had like a a silver sheen

460
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:47,279
to it like it had an aura around it oh

461
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,399
interesting yeah and uh i mean i we

462
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:52,399
asked them i said but

463
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,759
what are your thoughts what do you think

464
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:55,279
this i don't know

465
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:57,199
you know it just looked like it had this

466
00:17:03,110 --> 00:16:59,440
silver aura around it

467
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,120
but it looked like it was a living being

468
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,760
but you know it that you know we had you

469
00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:07,760
know we did notice that and uh this

470
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,600
thing looked up at it gave it the

471
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,520
damnedest look and scared the hell out

472
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:13,439
of them they got out of there

473
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:14,640
and uh

474
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,240
and clearly if it was eating roadkill it

475
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:18,559
was it was physical and and that's not

476
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,319
the only time i was feeling quite yeah

477
00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:22,000
okay interesting

478
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:23,439
we've had them things we had those

479
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:25,039
things come out in the middle of the day

480
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,160
eating roadkill along the road and uh

481
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:29,919
it's just scared of the jesus out of

482
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:32,160
folks and um but you know their the

483
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:33,760
first impression is

484
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:36,400
yeah this thing's living but

485
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,240
i just don't know what the hell this

486
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:41,280
thing was yeah uh a lot of the sightings

487
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:45,360
are by hunters people who are armed

488
00:17:48,789 --> 00:17:46,880
and uh

489
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,799
we had one gentleman who was in a state

490
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,960
game laying up in center county you

491
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,360
literally walked up onto this thing he

492
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,360
said this thing was nine to ten foot

493
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:57,280
easy oh my god

494
00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:00,400
standing you know upright on hot legs

495
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:03,039
muscular hawk legs just like you know i

496
00:18:07,590 --> 00:18:05,039
i always attributed to like the

497
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:07,600
underworld lichen in the movies the

498
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:09,919
underworld right the way he described

499
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:12,480
this thing was almost exactly like this

500
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:15,039
wow he said when i walked up onto it it

501
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,679
was behind the laurel bush

502
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,400
and i could see the head and shoulders

503
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:22,000
and then the legs

504
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,880
and uh it just stood its ground i had a

505
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,720
gun on me now he was up in game hunting

506
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,720
so he had a shotgun but of course he

507
00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:31,280
only had six or seven shot in there

508
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,679
and um he said i wasn't going to take a

509
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:35,600
shot at it he said i was right up on it

510
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:37,760
it just looked at me with these yellow

511
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:39,039
eyes

512
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,799
and it was almost like you know you're

513
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:42,400
here with the a lot of these bigfoot

514
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:45,919
stories with the the possible

515
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,200
uh

516
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:49,600
i don't know some type of

517
00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:51,760
communication

518
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:53,919
with with you know between the humans

519
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,280
and their equality or something yeah

520
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:57,760
yeah like you know back off or i'm not

521
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,679
going to hurt you but just back off and

522
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,039
he said i just

523
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,360
lowered my gun and backed away

524
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,360
i didn't turn my back on it but yeah you

525
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,760
know i backed away from it

526
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,760
but they do have a tendency to the

527
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:11,200
standard ground they don't seem to be

528
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:12,480
afraid

529
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,039
i had another hunter who was up in uh

530
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,080
just uh north of the tuscarora forest

531
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,480
who was in a deer stand

532
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,320
uh along the edge of a field in the

533
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,960
woods and um

534
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,280
he said he saw these two

535
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,000
wolf like creatures chasing this deer

536
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,160
up on the ridge in front of him

537
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,000
and eventually one of them came

538
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,080
sauntering up to him

539
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:37,520
a quadruped

540
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,120
and just

541
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:41,760
sat down when it's just sat down

542
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:44,320
and was stood you know looking up at him

543
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,440
and he said the thing looked like a

544
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:47,440
freaking hyena you know it's the back of

545
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:50,480
it and it was huge had a wolf-like head

546
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,360
but it was muscular uh it was speckled

547
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:55,679
like a hyena he said it was huge

548
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:58,960
oh and this thing just looked at me

549
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,840
he had a 30 odd six with him but again

550
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,679
he said i'm up in a tree stand i'm still

551
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:05,600
not taking a shot at this thing right

552
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,720
yeah yeah

553
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:08,640
i think that's quite a testimony to to

554
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,720
the power of these things in their

555
00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,200
presence that yeah these hunters that

556
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,280
you know clearly

557
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,720
know the woods and know how to use their

558
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,240
weapons are just not going to take a

559
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:21,280
chance absolutely yeah it's crazy i i

560
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,760
have never had an account that i know of

561
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,880
other than

562
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,360
maybe one out in greene county

563
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,200
where somebody's taking a shot at one of

564
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,120
these things

565
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,440
uh we have a gentleman named james west

566
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,360
who's probably in the chat tonight i

567
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:36,720
don't know if he is or not but he's had

568
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,039
two encounters in greene county

569
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:41,200
uh harrowing encounters

570
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,240
uh

571
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:43,840
but those are probably the most

572
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,600
harrowing that i've heard of most of

573
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,440
them are either you know these things

574
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,120
appear you back away

575
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,960
this guy in the tree he set up a tree

576
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,480
for two hours after the thing walked

577
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,600
away

578
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:55,760
he said i wasn't gonna get down off the

579
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:58,240
tree and you know make him run for the

580
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,760
car he said i was gonna make sure this

581
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,039
thing was gone

582
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,840
yeah absolutely yeah so

583
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,039
wow that's the kind of stuff we're

584
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,520
getting i mean so yeah really what they

585
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,120
are

586
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,520
i guess it's anybody's guess but

587
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,760
i i still think there's a very strong

588
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,000
possibility that there's supernatural

589
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,799
aspects of these things and um

590
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,159
could they have been something like

591
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,000
direwolves i know that there have been

592
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,919
prehistoric uh

593
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,120
like creatures you know like the

594
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,559
american lion that have been spotted

595
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,200
throughout the country

596
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:30,640
you know it's interesting you said that

597
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:33,120
because we we we do hear accounts and

598
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,880
you know i've heard it from other

599
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,120
investigators as well where somebody

600
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,880
would be some places in a park or

601
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:40,880
something with their pet and something

602
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,679
will just literally manifest

603
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,280
like it's coming from another time

604
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:46,960
period

605
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,760
time slip or something right i know one

606
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,080
account a woman in um

607
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,559
i think was in san francisco she was

608
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,120
walking her dog in a park and a friggin

609
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:59,679
saber 2 timer manifested in front of her

610
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:00,559
what

611
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,600
yeah oh my god yeah nick redfern told me

612
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,919
he actually had it in one of his books

613
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,799
oh wow you know i talked about this

614
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,919
yeah i said

615
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,919
i hear he said i hear that a lot you

616
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,919
know these things just literally

617
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,760
manifest so

618
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,840
who knows what the hell's going on um

619
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:19,679
yeah that is very that's very strange

620
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,919
it's like a quantum hiccup or something

621
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,080
absolutely yeah

622
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,480
so that you know that's

623
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,799
i i just feel at this point now which

624
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,640
you know we really don't know much about

625
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,400
it unless you know i'm not saying we're

626
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,080
going to have a body or anything at some

627
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,440
point even like with a bigfooter i don't

628
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,200
think we're going to have a body

629
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,200
really anytime soon

630
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,760
but they just seem to uh they just seem

631
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,320
to show up in the damnedest times

632
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,760
uh i had an encounter back in 2000 in

633
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,520
1988

634
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,720
uh down in maryland sykesville maryland

635
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,799
and uh you know

636
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,919
i didn't know what the hell i was

637
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,600
looking at honestly i wasn't in the

638
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,679
cryptids at the time

639
00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:00,400
and

640
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,280
uh

641
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,880
but this thing just walked out of the

642
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,039
bushes and it looked like

643
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,640
it looked like an early man looked like

644
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,720
a neanderthal or something like that

645
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,320
effect it was about eight foot tall but

646
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,240
it looked more like a man than any type

647
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,240
of other primate i think that's another

648
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,679
reason why people tend not to take a

649
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,280
shot at bigfoot is because of the human

650
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,760
life qualities yeah well not only that

651
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,880
they're they don't seem to be

652
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,080
threatening this thing it wasn't

653
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,159
threatening standing by only about 40

654
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,000
foot away from me

655
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,559
it uh it didn't it wasn't threatening

656
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,320
uh just stood there and looked at me and

657
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,320
then after five or six seconds it just

658
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,480
turned on a dime and walked

659
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,720
quickly up into the woods

660
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,280
so uh yeah you know wow

661
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:40,400
that's

662
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,320
forget it either i tell you that was

663
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,159
kind of the defining moment in my life

664
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,159
as far as that's where i really started

665
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,240
getting interested in cryptids i've been

666
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,880
investigating paranormal for many years

667
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,840
but

668
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,840
that's kind of where it

669
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,440
you know that's kind of where the nexus

670
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,279
of all that was

671
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:01,440
uh so you know i've had other encounters

672
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,200
in the past but it's uh um yeah you

673
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,640
mentioned you heard one uh near the

674
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,640
battlefield right

675
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,120
i have i have heard well

676
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,919
i was uh i was up in bishop

677
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,880
uh i was up past caledonia up near one

678
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,559
of the reservoirs the reservoir just

679
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,480
north of caledonia

680
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,880
and i was younger and i was up actually

681
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,720
up there fly fishing

682
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:26,559
and uh

683
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,440
are really high

684
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,840
so i i'd say the weeds were at least six

685
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,400
to seven foot high and i had just parked

686
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,679
the car

687
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,480
onto an access road got out

688
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,279
uh got my hip waders on and and had my

689
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,440
fly rod and started walking ahead of me

690
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,120
because there was a small stream i was

691
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,640
going to hit

692
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,320
and all of a sudden i heard something

693
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,120
coming through the the brush

694
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,559
i didn't know what the hell it was it

695
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:57,600
was loud too and it sounded big and

696
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,400
grunting and all kinds of stuff and

697
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,159
you know this was before i ever had my

698
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,520
encounter and um wow i said well

699
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,200
maybe it's a big dog or something i'm

700
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,640
not even gonna take a chance and i

701
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:10,080
hightailed it back to the car and got

702
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,120
out of there

703
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,960
and you know that's before a time when i

704
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,200
even was thinking about bigfoot or

705
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,880
anything like that

706
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,120
uh but you know over the years

707
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,720
there have been a lot of sightings up

708
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,279
there and a lot of encounters oh never

709
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,600
the the biggest the one thing and it's

710
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,600
funny because i was up there four weeks

711
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,679
ago and the person i was with i was

712
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,760
telling her i said you know

713
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,240
most of the sightings up here are along

714
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,799
the highway at night time because

715
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,720
there's a lot of deer po the big deer

716
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,320
population up there

717
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,320
and people you know they tend to get hit

718
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,080
by cars and they're on the side of the

719
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,640
road or whatever and people see the

720
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,039
bigfoot even the upright canines coming

721
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,960
along the road picking these things up

722
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,480
put them across your shoulders and going

723
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,000
back into the woods

724
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,919
yeah yeah i know i've read multiple uh

725
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,360
stories about

726
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,240
uh or or heard heard you know um

727
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,960
recordings of 911 calls of of people

728
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,279
reporting bigfoot hur you know carrying

729
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,039
deer carcasses

730
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,720
now yeah we hear a lot of that out in

731
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,120
the mountain the west i mean uh i've got

732
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,679
actually got photographs of these things

733
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,000
carrying uh deer on their shoulders so

734
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,360
um yeah oh wow okay yeah so i mean

735
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,760
they're at a distance but you can tell

736
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,240
yeah despise this thing on a ridge or

737
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,840
something carrying something across the

738
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:27,120
shoulder and it's

739
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,720
you know pretty good size being so

740
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,559
uh you know it was funny because i did

741
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,640
talk to it wasn't a ranger it was a guy

742
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,480
who worked for the state park i think he

743
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:38,240
might even work for the highways i'm not

744
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,279
sure

745
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,960
but i did ask him i said you know up

746
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,799
there on route 30 up there in lincoln

747
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,720
lincoln way

748
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,840
do you guys get a lot of roadkill

749
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,880
none

750
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,360
because they're all cleaned up oh wow he

751
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:53,039
didn't understand he didn't understand

752
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,080
why

753
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,159
i had to laugh at him i said oh okay but

754
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,640
i didn't say anything uh i thought yeah

755
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,840
well they're cleaning them up pretty

756
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,640
well

757
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,559
right i had a guy who wasn't i had a guy

758
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,720
from indiana he was uh he was in

759
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,960
gettysburg for about a week

760
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,640
and he was driving back home of course

761
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,559
he was taking route 30 west he was going

762
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,320
through misha

763
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:14,720
and he had

764
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,600
uh

765
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,880
he had one of these things jump out

766
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,039
right in front of me damn or hit it

767
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,480
and uh

768
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,320
he had to have his wife drive home the

769
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,679
rest of the way

770
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,440
uh because it just freaked him out so

771
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,799
bad

772
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:29,120
that was a huge bigfoot i mean it was

773
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,240
the way he described it was kind of

774
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,200
he said it was tall he said it was

775
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,520
kind of a reddish color but had the face

776
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,520
of orangutan

777
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,279
oh that's interesting yeah it seems to

778
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,760
tack back and forth between uh

779
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:46,320
you know the orangutan comparison or the

780
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,840
comparison seem to go back and forth

781
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,600
between human and orangutan it's very

782
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,240
interesting yeah um yeah i mean

783
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,240
there just seem to be different

784
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,039
races of these beings i don't know right

785
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,799
right but of course yeah subspecies

786
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:00,559
could be i mean very easily if they're

787
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,320
in isolation yeah in various geographic

788
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,960
areas yeah well you know you're you know

789
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,399
you know about the skunk apes and of

790
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,760
course those

791
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,240
are you know for the most part those

792
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,640
those beings look nothing like anything

793
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,399
that's seen up in the you know pacific

794
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,640
northwest or even here in the east right

795
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,120
exactly they're smaller they're stronger

796
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,960
yeah yeah yeah well smelly color they're

797
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,360
kind of more stocky

798
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,480
right so yeah so it's interesting

799
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,480
yeah they're stringier i think yeah just

800
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,870
so um

801
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,120
so tell us tell me some more about the

802
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,360
book and some of the other

803
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:41,679
encounters that you described in there

804
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,679
uh as opposed to you know you know

805
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,480
to to real situations that you kind of

806
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,159
relate those to

807
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,880
right right um

808
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,799
so uh

809
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,679
the

810
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,120
um

811
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,520
so the the front of the book is is is

812
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,480
his

813
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,600
in in bigfoot

814
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,919
um the chara the main characters

815
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,000
and um

816
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,440
one of the things that that i thought

817
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,480
was interesting which i read about

818
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,159
and i'm curious to know if this is born

819
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:17,279
out in recent statistics at all

820
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:18,159
but

821
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,240
in the

822
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,480
1970s ish era you had an uptick in

823
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,919
bigfoot sightings

824
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,159
spilling into the 80s and there's a

825
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:28,080
theory that

826
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,279
um

827
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,679
there's a wave of curious young bigfoot

828
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,200
that come down from the hills to check

829
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,679
us out and then once their curiosity is

830
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,880
stated they

831
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,279
head back into the into the brush or you

832
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:41,120
know it's almost like a rite of passage

833
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:42,159
that kind of

834
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,520
um scope out these uh strange human

835
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,640
things

836
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,799
they're making all the noise i haven't

837
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,360
heard that theory um

838
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,039
now here

839
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,880
back to here in pennsylvania i mean back

840
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:57,919
in the early 70s we had a um

841
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,120
we had a ufo's uh

842
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,279
uh

843
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,880
time which you want to call it was you

844
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,960
know but it was a ufo setting yeah it

845
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,720
was a lot of ufo sightings especially

846
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,559
out in western pennsylvania

847
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,000
and um

848
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,640
in a couple instances there were bigfoot

849
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,520
encounters at the same time

850
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,960
um

851
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,720
of course stan gordon has written about

852
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,679
that for years uh in on the uh chestnut

853
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,679
ridge area of fayette west moreland

854
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,799
county oh yeah but the um

855
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,600
you know

856
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,000
these stories have been well known now

857
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,240
of course

858
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,640
when you're talking about connections

859
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:38,159
i i think there are a lot of different

860
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,440
connections you know with a lot of

861
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,679
different aspects of paranormal

862
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,399
and with other beings or ufos i think

863
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,720
there is a definite connection

864
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,120
uh i don't know how you how you handled

865
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,880
that in the book

866
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,279
but uh well

867
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,760
yeah yeah right so there

868
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:58,559
because he's he's a professor i i

869
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:01,519
um i have him kind of compartmentalize

870
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,799
things and so uh even though he doesn't

871
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,159
necessarily this character isn't

872
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,519
subscribed to

873
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,799
other areas of fortiana um

874
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,559
he likens them to

875
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,880
dirty dishes that need to be you know

876
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:17,120
cleared and slotted in their proper

877
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,480
place

878
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
and you know

879
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,440
different things that that all can be

880
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,679
lumped into the same ballpark

881
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,799
um

882
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,519
and

883
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,120
admits kind of the mystical connection

884
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,279
there or the sense of connection

885
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,120
um i think it's

886
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:33,279
yeah regarding ufos and i mean that that

887
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,919
is

888
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,840
um

889
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,320
it's it's definitely fascinating i think

890
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,480
uh

891
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,600
i i'm i'm a little bit i'm less clear on

892
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,200
on the connection possible connection

893
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,600
there um

894
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:49,840
i've done i am on

895
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,640
uh ufos and

896
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,320
supernatural encounters i know that a

897
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,240
lot of people who've claimed abduction

898
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,159
encounters

899
00:32:01,029 --> 00:32:00,080
have also seen dead relatives in the

900
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,039
room

901
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,480
um

902
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,799
and alongside the grays and things like

903
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,519
that and i almost wonder if if uh

904
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,640
you know they could be um

905
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,320
pluming the

906
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,000
the

907
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,480
interstitial reality between us and

908
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,720
and and the metaphysical reality right

909
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,600
um uh or extracting our memories in it

910
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,200
and and manifesting them in a strange

911
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,519
way uh tuple-like

912
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,720
um

913
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,799
but yeah in regards to how i handle

914
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,720
those connections in the book it's it's

915
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,039
it's uh

916
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:36,000
the book is is broken into vignettes

917
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,880
um

918
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,399
and each one

919
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,080
kind of details

920
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:43,279
as i uh mentioned earlier it's each one

921
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,559
details the the human consequence of

922
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,279
of an encounter and so they pass through

923
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,360
texas at one point

924
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,240
through um a small town that's being

925
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,120
ravaged by the what many think is the uh

926
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,399
chupacabra right and they don't actually

927
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,080
it's no big spoil here but they don't

928
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,080
actually encounter the chupacabra but

929
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,919
you see the fallout from

930
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,880
um

931
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,080
all that

932
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,000
activity and and the social elect and

933
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:12,159
the social fallout from that activity

934
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,519
and um

935
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,120
and the question of of the true

936
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,360
chupacabra's existence is is uh left

937
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,240
open to debate but um

938
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,760
that's that's kind of where i wanted to

939
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:24,159
weave a lot of the stories is like you

940
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:25,279
know in the

941
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,240
um

942
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,720
being open-minded enough to to assert

943
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,240
that hey these things

944
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,000
or many of these things do have a

945
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,039
reality have a presence in our world um

946
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,880
but leaving the the actual nature of

947
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,880
them and and trying to to

948
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,039
feed people answers about that leaving

949
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,679
that open for interpretation um

950
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,200
because that's what kind of that's what

951
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,039
stimulates me i love the unknown i kind

952
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,600
of like the the label-less

953
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:50,480
um

954
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,990
uh i remember yeah reading all about the

955
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,440
especially when i was over there because

956
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:02,080
on my road trip i did um because i as i

957
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,360
mentioned i have friends in south

958
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,960
mountain area and

959
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:07,360
passed through uh michoa state forest

960
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,720
and um

961
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,480
talked to some people about you know

962
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,240
bigfoot encounters there and read up on

963
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,280
on bigfoot encounters there and um

964
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,119
people seeing families running together

965
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,960
for the families of bigfoot

966
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,760
um i don't think it was me show that

967
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,159
where the uh the jacobson photos were

968
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,639
taken that was up you know that was

969
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,399
somewhere in pennsylvania yeah that was

970
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,320
western pennsylvania maybe beaver county

971
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,760
up in that area up there just north of

972
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:34,800
pittsburgh oh yeah right right

973
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,839
yeah that those photographs i i'm still

974
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:40,000
unsure what that was yeah that was not a

975
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:40,800
bear

976
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,639
it looks like a chimpanzee it does it

977
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,119
does look like a large chimpanzee but no

978
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,040
i don't think it was a bear i never did

979
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,919
think it was a bear uh right

980
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,839
you know i've seen a lot of photographs

981
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,720
or

982
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,520
that of a bear that kind of looked weird

983
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,839
but i don't think that was

984
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,079
right right yeah yeah bears with mange

985
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,760
or something

986
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:05,280
no it's funny you talk about south

987
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:11,430
south mountain is is known for a lot of

988
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,079
things other than just bigfoot

989
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,720
first of all is known for witchcraft

990
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,560
oh interesting there's that i actually

991
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,839
didn't realize that

992
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,880
yeah

993
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,359
it's an area where a lot of the local

994
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,240
witches especially around in the 1800s

995
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,240
concentrated at

996
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,640
um i did go to psychic there once again

997
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,480
oh did you yeah i didn't realize that it

998
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,400
was a witchy place well you're gonna

999
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,880
have a lot of these these witches and a

1000
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,280
lot of these uh psychics

1001
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:41,760
along route 30 and up into smack south

1002
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,079
mountain yeah they do congregate there

1003
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,760
for whatever reason i don't know if

1004
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,680
there's a tourist thing coming out of

1005
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,960
you know gettysburg you're going to

1006
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,640
gettysburg now you've got all these

1007
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,119
ghost tours up and down the road right

1008
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,640
and then you've got all these psychics

1009
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:56,880
to have shops and such in there as well

1010
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:00,079
as crystal shops and metaphysical shops

1011
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,680
you know especially on um sure on the

1012
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:06,000
baltimore whole baltimore avenue

1013
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,520
square but you get a lot of that but

1014
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,240
anyway uh yeah it's an area that's well

1015
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,320
known for for witchcraft back in the

1016
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,480
1800s

1017
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,160
there was a

1018
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,359
folk uh a folk magic

1019
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,359
that was prevalent in this area still is

1020
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,440
to a small degree which was called

1021
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,680
pow-wowing

1022
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,640
uh

1023
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,079
also we had

1024
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,480
a lot of green witches but we had a few

1025
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,079
you know black magic and stuff and

1026
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:33,920
people have talked about that for years

1027
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,640
that

1028
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,400
where these witches would transform

1029
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,160
people cursed people and stuff up on

1030
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,599
south mount we had the south mountain

1031
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,440
witch which is an interesting story in

1032
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,640
itself oh wow really but during

1033
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,520
during the gettysburg campaign

1034
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,440
during this you know before the get

1035
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,599
battled gettysburg

1036
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,560
the uh the confederate army big whacked

1037
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,240
on south mountain or near south platte

1038
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,520
mountain

1039
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:59,040
and

1040
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,160
if you dig

1041
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,160
deep enough you're going you will get

1042
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,640
stories of witches

1043
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,430
there have been some encounters kind of

1044
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,720
said behind

1045
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,400
baited breath but

1046
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,720
uh of these soldiers having encounters

1047
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,320
with bigfoot

1048
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,440
wow now i have i have had an uh

1049
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:24,960
reports that that came out of old uh

1050
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,000
old uh regiment reports of

1051
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,160
these soldiers especially in the union

1052
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:33,119
army who had encounters with up with

1053
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,040
bigfoot uh at certain uh forts and such

1054
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,119
especially down in virginia

1055
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,599
but it is documented

1056
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,920
so bigfoot in the civil war you know

1057
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,000
that's an interesting concept in itself

1058
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,079
oh absolutely yeah but of course and you

1059
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:49,680
know i've told you earlier about you

1060
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,720
know with with the battlefield

1061
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,040
it's the battlefield gettysburg seems to

1062
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,040
track a lot of different things yeah of

1063
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,240
course let alone the ghost but um

1064
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:02,079
there's been a lot of ufo activity as

1065
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,000
well as bigfoot activity and uh

1066
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,599
that's you know

1067
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:09,760
it's it's a conjecture but you know you

1068
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,400
think well with all the energy maybe

1069
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:14,480
the bigfoot is being attracted to the

1070
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,839
area um it seems like these cryptids for

1071
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,079
whatever reason are attracted to death

1072
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:22,079
or past death

1073
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,800
uh

1074
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,880
there's about them in cemeteries all the

1075
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,839
time

1076
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,320
right yeah go to funerals at cemeteries

1077
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,640
and and see one of these things on the

1078
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,240
edge of the woods standing there

1079
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,839
watching them

1080
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,280
uh

1081
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:37,200
yeah you hear about that a lot

1082
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,240
my uh

1083
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,680
the friend that i mentioned who's

1084
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,760
sensitive and can see uh

1085
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,400
spirits as well as non-human spirits uh

1086
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,000
i was actually

1087
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,400
i didn't see it myself unfortunately but

1088
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,280
uh

1089
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:51,359
she

1090
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,440
pretty sure was a bigfoot at a distance

1091
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:56,720
she saw

1092
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,359
this huge lumbering

1093
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,920
you know broad-shouldered no-necked

1094
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,640
humanoid creature crossed this path

1095
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,640
just before a few

1096
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,680
people

1097
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,720
um

1098
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,000
made their way

1099
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,320
across the path and and uh so

1100
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,760
perpendicular to it of course they were

1101
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,079
walking the path and this was walking uh

1102
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,680
across the path

1103
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,320
and uh so she got a size comparison and

1104
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,160
could tell that it was not the size of a

1105
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,079
person and oh okay

1106
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:26,240
her her sort of uh

1107
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,839
for lack of a better term her like

1108
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,440
spidey sense went off you know she gets

1109
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,359
like tingles when she sees strange

1110
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,280
things or supernatural things

1111
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:36,079
and uh i asked her like so what do you

1112
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,359
if that was a bigfoot like what do you

1113
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,359
think they are and she said i don't know

1114
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,599
it it seemed like between the physical

1115
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,760
it seems like they can

1116
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,280
it's almost like they they're

1117
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:47,440
interstitial like they they have a it's

1118
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,720
like in you know the way amphibians are

1119
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,760
can go ashore and and thrive in water

1120
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:55,440
it's almost like

1121
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:56,720
big

1122
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,040
thrive in the physical as well as as

1123
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,800
well as the metaphysical or maybe it's

1124
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,040
it's so adept at hiding and and so at

1125
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,880
one with the the forest that it's in

1126
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,200
effect like that i mean we could be

1127
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,760
10 feet from it and unless it's unless

1128
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,839
we're smelling it or it's making noise

1129
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,760
it can easily camouflage and hide from

1130
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,720
us

1131
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,160
um

1132
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,839
which i've always found fascinating too

1133
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,079
because it's just it seems so

1134
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,520
um

1135
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,800
yes uh

1136
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,880
it's its behavior is just

1137
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,319
that yeah so

1138
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,079
harmonious with the

1139
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,160
and you know in harmony with the woods

1140
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,480
and the wild

1141
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,079
hey uh vincent if you want to come i

1142
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,359
want to answer questions i'm sure you're

1143
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,200
posting them up here just come on in and

1144
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:40,800
ask them if you want to

1145
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,560
um but you know you talked about the um

1146
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,960
the chupacabra and some of the other

1147
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:48,800
things you talked about all the goblins

1148
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,079
of uh yeah the county government

1149
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,920
what kind of variation did you have

1150
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:55,839
because i didn't read the chapter oh

1151
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:00,560
yeah um so what i did with that one i uh

1152
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,520
the

1153
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,599
and this is again this is my fictional

1154
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,400
license but or creative license but um i

1155
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,880
had them visit the the one of the last

1156
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,560
survivors of

1157
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:11,520
the

1158
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,680
and uh

1159
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,000
she's an old woman now and she's tipping

1160
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:26,000
into alzheimer's and so she barely

1161
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,200
remembers

1162
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,640
the encounter

1163
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,720
but has sort of immortalized it in a

1164
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,400
children's book that she wrote with her

1165
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,240
with her daughter um and so it's

1166
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,960
again it it's come to become it's come

1167
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:41,440
to be like a a bedtime story for her

1168
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,400
almost

1169
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,240
um you know the edges the edges of the

1170
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,680
encounter have been softened and you

1171
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,880
know in her

1172
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,040
increasingly kind of senile state she

1173
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,200
she almost sees it as a fanciful story

1174
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,079
as opposed to a terrifying story

1175
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:56,400
um and so i talk a lot about how you

1176
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,440
know we can

1177
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,119
change our consciousness about things

1178
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,839
and and so i use it to kind

1179
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,680
of delve into deeper themes that that

1180
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,319
run throughout the book um

1181
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,040
but uh yeah they visit the the old plot

1182
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,599
of land where it happened and uh

1183
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,800
um talk with with her and and and her

1184
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
daughter

1185
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,400
and so that's the end of course i i have

1186
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,680
them read the

1187
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,440
uh the children's book that she wrote

1188
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,880
about it so it's really just kind of

1189
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,240
celebrating the

1190
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,960
yeah the the human element of of the

1191
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,960
strange and and the wondrous and the

1192
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,440
paranormal um

1193
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,880
you know there's another there's another

1194
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,240
thing you had talked about earlier with

1195
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,119
the escape war lizard man down in

1196
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,880
south carolina

1197
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,640
um

1198
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,839
you know

1199
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,079
eli blackburn wrote a book about that

1200
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,040
not too many years ago very good book

1201
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,400
and uh

1202
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,240
he had talked to a lot of the witnesses

1203
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,599
down there who

1204
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,400
had reported that past after

1205
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,800
the encounter the young man had out on

1206
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,800
the road christopher davis christopher

1207
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,960
davis yeah and uh

1208
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,720
i i don't know what the hell that thing

1209
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,640
is i mean maybe there is something in

1210
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,560
that you know yeah you know you hear

1211
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,160
about a lot of this different stuff

1212
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,359
especially something like that a

1213
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,599
reptilian that's out in a

1214
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:13,760
out in a swamp somewhere

1215
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,640
uh

1216
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,040
and you think it's crazy but then you

1217
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,400
hear other things about it and it

1218
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,800
happens all the time right you know you

1219
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:22,560
and i had talked about thought form

1220
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,560
manifestations is it that strong that

1221
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,880
somebody's imagination could actually

1222
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:31,280
manifest one of these things right i

1223
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,560
don't know

1224
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:34,720
right so how did you handle that in in

1225
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,520
your

1226
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,720
fictional

1227
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,640
manner

1228
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:41,599
um so i i have them pass through south

1229
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,960
carolina

1230
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,079
um

1231
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,720
and i do touch on on

1232
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,200
the the you know here and there the the

1233
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,400
power of of collective belief which i

1234
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,720
certainly uh subscribe to

1235
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,920
um

1236
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,910
i'm

1237
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,400
not entirely convinced that that one

1238
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,480
imagination could necessarily create

1239
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,720
those things uh

1240
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,640
i think it's entirely possible that you

1241
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,560
know a um

1242
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,400
combined the combined power of many

1243
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,640
different thought energies or

1244
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,520
um

1245
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,839
you know devoted concentrated discipline

1246
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,640
thought

1247
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,720
uh can

1248
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,720
bring something about that's you know

1249
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,480
half physical or fully physical at least

1250
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,839
for a temporary

1251
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:27,200
amount of time

1252
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,400
um

1253
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:30,880
so i touch on some of that uh and it but

1254
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,680
it's really just speculation uh and you

1255
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,680
know as it is in the book

1256
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,599
and um

1257
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,040
but uh

1258
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
no i i i talk about the parallels

1259
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,119
between you know the creature from the

1260
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,440
black lagoon as well and and

1261
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,480
uh pop culture uh

1262
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,319
the overlap between pop culture and and

1263
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,079
real life encounters

1264
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,319
and uh and i used lizard man as a

1265
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,440
springboard for for that discussion yeah

1266
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,680
well you know i i understand that

1267
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,520
completely because you know when this

1268
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,520
wing humanoid phenomena the chicago

1269
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,599
mothman or whatever you want to call it

1270
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,359
started to happen of course we were

1271
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,079
flummoxed about what was going on yeah

1272
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,079
and uh you know one of the one of the

1273
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,079
first theories we had was well maybe

1274
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,760
this is some type of thought form

1275
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,359
manifestation or

1276
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,400
uh

1277
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,640
you know maybe it's mass hysteria of

1278
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,119
some type or why are these things being

1279
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,680
showing up the way they're showing up

1280
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,920
and you know it's always been a question

1281
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,119
now

1282
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,599
we we're getting a little more a little

1283
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,560
few more answers as time has gone by

1284
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,240
but you know there's still that big

1285
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,240
question as to why and why they're

1286
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:40,079
showing up there and you know what's

1287
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,280
going on

1288
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,760
and uh yeah i get that i mean when

1289
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,440
you're doing an investigation of any

1290
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,359
type and you're writing you know you're

1291
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,599
trying to come up with story line

1292
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,839
it it's difficult um

1293
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,800
because you want to come up with

1294
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,319
something that's

1295
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,800
that nobody else has really come up with

1296
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,839
sure you don't sound like a damn nut

1297
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,000
either right right yeah so

1298
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,720
yeah i get it i get it

1299
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,079
yeah um

1300
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,839
i mean i always

1301
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,440
and that was

1302
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,960
one of the reasons why

1303
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,240
um

1304
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,079
you know i i wanted to write the book

1305
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,400
for i like the the framework of of the

1306
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,520
road trip

1307
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,800
um

1308
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,720
one of the the reviewers called it on

1309
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:22,640
the road meets the x files which is kind

1310
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,839
of an uh elevator pitch

1311
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,359
because it has the yeah it has the

1312
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,520
literary qualities of of

1313
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,440
uh or the more psychological literary

1314
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,119
qualities and then it has the

1315
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,280
um of course the paranormal stuff

1316
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,560
um

1317
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,079
but uh

1318
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,319
yeah i've i've always wanted to

1319
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,760
celebrate it but at the same time take

1320
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,200
it all seriously

1321
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,920
um keep an open mind um

1322
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,440
you know have

1323
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,599
you know suggest degrees between the

1324
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:51,200
different phenomena you know

1325
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,240
one is

1326
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,240
maybe more likely just given

1327
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,280
technological evidence uh material

1328
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,720
evidence

1329
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,920
um

1330
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,040
others might be a little bit more

1331
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,720
fanciful but you know it doesn't mean

1332
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,760
that

1333
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,400
um something didn't happen there right

1334
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,319
and so

1335
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,200
yeah i uh um

1336
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:13,440
again like it's it's i deliberately

1337
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,150
quote-unquote real phenomena like things

1338
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,079
that people have actually experienced

1339
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,760
that people can recognize in the in the

1340
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,040
14 world

1341
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:27,920
um other books of mine i tend to go

1342
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,200
uh even wilder and kind of invent my own

1343
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,280
strangeness based on you know nothing

1344
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,440
wrong with that right exactly

1345
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,359
i i could give you some scenarios that

1346
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,440
you could probably go wild on so oh i'm

1347
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,440
sure yeah

1348
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,520
so vincent you got a question

1349
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:44,960
yeah we've got a couple questions from

1350
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,160
the uh the chat room um mike have you

1351
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,800
had any paranormal activity happen in

1352
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,200
your life that you that you've uh

1353
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,680
you know basically like these stories

1354
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,599
uh i so

1355
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,119
when i wrote this book it was pretty

1356
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,440
much all second or third hand because i

1357
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,800
was collecting stories from people

1358
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,040
who've had uh cryptid encounters or

1359
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,680
strange encounters

1360
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,000
funnily enough it was only relatively

1361
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,160
recently that i actually

1362
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,559
started having what you could classify

1363
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,640
as

1364
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,520
supernatural experiences or

1365
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,920
an ongoing supernatural experience so as

1366
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,240
i mentioned um one of my good friends so

1367
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,240
she's actually an ex

1368
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,680
and when she was

1369
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:29,760
when we were together and she was living

1370
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,520
here for a time at my place

1371
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,760
she's sensitive and so i think that

1372
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,760
brought that was she's sort of like a

1373
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,760
beacon for for those things kind of

1374
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,079
opened you up to it yeah i think so and

1375
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,720
put me in the splash zone

1376
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,319
um right

1377
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,720
so uh yeah and i

1378
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,559
i started experiencing i guess what you

1379
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,559
could call like fae activity you know

1380
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,880
like poltergeisty type stuff you know

1381
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,960
doors closing by themselves things going

1382
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,480
missing and then showing up in a very

1383
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,720
strange place um

1384
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,640
items just that weren't mine just

1385
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,640
manifesting out of thin air

1386
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,680
um

1387
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,440
dark energies kind of bleeding in

1388
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,440
through the walls and things like that

1389
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,760
um so yeah that's

1390
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:13,359
it and it's just even though i'd always

1391
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,319
kind of

1392
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,000
been fascinated by those things had kept

1393
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,400
an open mind like to directly experience

1394
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:20,079
those things

1395
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,200
it's like

1396
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:24,160
like wow these things actually are real

1397
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,240
yeah you know and it's hard to

1398
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,599
you know convince someone who's very

1399
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,400
skeptical of that i know um and i i'm

1400
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,480
i'm fairly relentless with my skepticism

1401
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,480
i try to maintain i just don't you know

1402
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,760
go

1403
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,400
i don't buy it all wholesale in in terms

1404
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,920
of like oh it's got to be something

1405
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,119
strange i try and look for different

1406
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,559
explanations but

1407
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,520
some of those you just there's

1408
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,520
absolutely zero explanation and i

1409
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,200
witnessed it myself

1410
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,480
you know there's no way that a wind

1411
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,000
could have blown the door closed you

1412
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,160
know in the middle of my hallway oh sure

1413
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,079
so

1414
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:56,319
yeah it's uh wow

1415
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,359
yeah but

1416
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,599
in terms of cryptids i've i've

1417
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,280
unfortunately not had a

1418
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,359
cryptid encounter i would love to have a

1419
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,960
cryptid encounter although one of the

1420
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,480
the guys i talked to

1421
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,200
um for the book said that he believes

1422
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,640
um

1423
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,240
there's i guess there's a i forget the

1424
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:13,920
tribe or if it's multiple tribes but

1425
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:17,119
there's a native american belief that uh

1426
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,400
um

1427
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,760
sometimes they bring it's like they're

1428
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,160
like a bad omen for you and so he

1429
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,920
after his bigfoot encounter he when he

1430
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,160
was a kid he encountered bigfoot in in

1431
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,839
well blueberry picking

1432
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:29,920
in northern california

1433
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:33,440
and he believes that it it

1434
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,160
either heralded or caused his heart

1435
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,720
condition and i i who knows if that's

1436
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,960
the case yeah um heard of stuff like

1437
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,079
that before

1438
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,240
right yeah yeah it could yeah could be

1439
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,000
just some sort of natural force that's

1440
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,000
you hear a lot of those uh what they

1441
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,079
call the omaha encounters up there in

1442
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,319
northern california up in the oregon and

1443
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,359
um

1444
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,920
yeah i i've heard a lot about that where

1445
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,839
and you know even in most tribes even

1446
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:00,000
the navajo have a lot of superstitions

1447
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,200
as well but

1448
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,640
you know when you really have an actual

1449
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,359
encounter they're uh they're very

1450
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,160
cognizant of what's going on in in their

1451
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,559
culture and uh sure it's hard to get

1452
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,400
them to talk about it when it happens it

1453
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,480
really is

1454
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,480
oh yeah yeah for

1455
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,119
very understandable reasons absolutely

1456
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,760
so vinci got anything

1457
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:24,480
um yeah i i was wondering about the the

1458
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,480
the alien um book now um you said that

1459
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,240
you were you gathered everything through

1460
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,880
second and third hand um

1461
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,440
have you ever experienced a ufo or

1462
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,960
anything outside

1463
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,559
while looking up

1464
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,150
yes but i'm almost

1465
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:46,240
embarrassed to tell it because it's so

1466
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,200
plain

1467
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,839
i wish i wish it were more dramatic so i

1468
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,839
was okay i was out camping

1469
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,000
in joshua tree national park out in the

1470
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,040
mojave desert here and um i was just

1471
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:58,480
star gazing

1472
00:52:02,710 --> 00:51:59,599
and

1473
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,720
one star that was in the center of my

1474
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,480
fuel division

1475
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,240
that i kind of more or less had my eye

1476
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,240
on um

1477
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,400
just started moving

1478
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,000
and then just vanished

1479
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,440
so it was almost like the you know the

1480
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,040
star was there

1481
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:16,559
and then just

1482
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,680
disappeared

1483
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,119
like it was like he's been hovering or

1484
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,480
something like that

1485
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,720
um and that yeah that that's the extent

1486
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,920
of my

1487
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,640
we could be classified as ufo experience

1488
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,480
my dad was a pilot for over 20 years and

1489
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,480
unfortunately he didn't say wow really

1490
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,720
yeah yeah you know he saw fireballs and

1491
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,839
meteors and that kind of stuff but he

1492
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,680
didn't see ufos

1493
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,119
um

1494
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,800
he's kind of known about that

1495
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,400
man was in the air force and he never

1496
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,839
had an encounter either had

1497
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,880
but him

1498
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,200
he was in the 509th

1499
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,839
which was the same group at roswell and

1500
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,079
this was you know he was in there after

1501
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,400
roswell when they were out of there

1502
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,240
but a lot of the guys he was stationed

1503
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,280
with were uh were ex

1504
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,079
you know personnel at roswell so he

1505
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,559
heard a lot of stories oh again and he

1506
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:08,960
maintained that

1507
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,839
yeah i uh i i think something happened

1508
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,760
but i'm not gonna talk about it and i'm

1509
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,280
especially not going to talk about with

1510
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:16,880
you because he knew i'd probably write

1511
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,470
right you know i i i was able to go to a

1512
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,480
reunion one time he used to they used to

1513
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,160
have their reunions

1514
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,880
out at wright patterson out into out in

1515
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,400
daytona

1516
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,079
uh uh dayton dayton ohio and uh

1517
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,400
i went there with him one time and some

1518
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,079
of these old guys are there and they're

1519
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,200
talk and they do talk about it sometimes

1520
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,359
but man you just can't get any

1521
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,200
information on how these brought these

1522
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,559
folks um

1523
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,480
so uh so

1524
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,319
and another interesting thing was his

1525
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,440
commander at the time was uh

1526
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,240
was uh paul tibbetts who oh really well

1527
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:58,240
dropped the atomic bomb and uh yeah

1528
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,359
right

1529
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,520
so uh yeah he's kind of

1530
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,680
he's kind of got into a bunch of stuff

1531
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,640
when he was

1532
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,680
in the service oh wow but uh yeah he

1533
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,520
wouldn't talk a whole lot about it he

1534
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,119
was really tight-lipped about it so i

1535
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,599
think he knew something but not sure

1536
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,599
it sounds like he did he knew me he knew

1537
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:17,280
i'd write about it so that's why i did

1538
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,150
i mean here's something that that kind

1539
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,680
of blew me away that i i'm sure you guys

1540
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,240
read one of the um

1541
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,920
i believe it was i knew there was a the

1542
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:32,240
new york times article in 2017 that cove

1543
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,520
that treated ufos and then there was

1544
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,160
another one uh that came out last year

1545
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:37,520
2020

1546
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,720
and

1547
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,160
buried in the article there's a

1548
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,400
paragraph that talks about

1549
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,319
i forget which defense contractor it was

1550
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:46,000
but there's a representative of a

1551
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,440
defense contractor

1552
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,200
testifying before a congressional

1553
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,680
committee about off-world vehicles and

1554
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,680
off-world technology and that's right in

1555
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,920
the new york times

1556
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,599
no one said no one asked like hey wait

1557
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,079
off world what does this mean

1558
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,839
it was just like i don't know it was

1559
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,520
very strange that no one brought that up

1560
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,240
or no one discussed it or like i just i

1561
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,079
couldn't believe it i mean i know we

1562
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,160
haven't i've read that and you know i

1563
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,920
it's kind of been a

1564
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,680
stuck in my crawl there for a but i

1565
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,880
really

1566
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,720
can't make hot

1567
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,480
head and tails of what exactly was going

1568
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,440
on there

1569
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,280
uh

1570
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,599
my whole theory about these so-called

1571
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,280
disclosures

1572
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,680
uh with the pentagon and such were like

1573
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,359
we were being spoon fed some of this

1574
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,599
stuff i i think a lot of it was

1575
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,359
declassified

1576
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,319
uh and to the point you know look like

1577
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:37,760
here's something but we're not gonna

1578
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:39,280
give you something that's really got

1579
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,799
some meat and potatoes behind it you

1580
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,359
know yeah um

1581
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,839
you know i i think they kind of

1582
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,440
had a little bit of pressure on them by

1583
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,520
congress and a few other folks and they

1584
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,680
had to release something and i think

1585
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,280
that's where a lot of that atip stuff

1586
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,680
came out so i don't know

1587
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,839
not just my period right that could be

1588
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,599
it's almost like they're they're hoping

1589
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,440
that this will pacify us for a while and

1590
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,680
then the subject can go to sleep or

1591
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,520
something yeah i mean we're not going to

1592
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,880
hear anything about aliens or

1593
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,640
extraterrestrials unless something lands

1594
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:10,240
on the white house lawn i mean other

1595
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:11,200
than that we're not going to hear

1596
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,240
anything

1597
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,480
uh you know unless we have it's all

1598
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,000
going to be neat to know and then by

1599
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:17,920
that time we'll need to know and it

1600
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,270
i don't know i mean it's um it's

1601
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,960
interesting

1602
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:26,000
i i

1603
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,480
something even to that degree

1604
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,119
from the pentagon but i think they were

1605
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,720
i think they had some pressure behind it

1606
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,520
and

1607
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:37,040
right i think that's why we got what we

1608
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,000
got

1609
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,079
yeah i mean that could be i already saw

1610
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,599
that uh

1611
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,640
you know the

1612
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,599
ufology community is disappointed with

1613
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,839
how the the task force is being set up

1614
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,359
and handled now because i guess it's

1615
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,359
just happening all behind closed doors

1616
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,799
and you know nothing's going to be

1617
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,240
released and it's basically what you

1618
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,240
just said well i think this new thing

1619
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,680
that they're coming up with is going to

1620
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,680
have more money behind it but of course

1621
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,119
it's going to be classified you're not

1622
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,520
sure anything about it of course yeah

1623
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,920
yeah i you know the the previous the

1624
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,680
previous thing they were doing the

1625
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:09,599
previous investigation was kind of like

1626
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,400
um

1627
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,920
and we got a couple of millions sitting

1628
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:13,359
here we'll throw it at you and you

1629
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:16,319
figure out what you can find out

1630
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,440
right of course it got out and um but i

1631
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,359
think it might have

1632
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:23,040
uh some interest might have got behind

1633
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,839
it

1634
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,040
and

1635
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:26,240
they figured well we're going to put in

1636
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:28,000
the black projects and we're going to

1637
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,359
throw a little more money at it and

1638
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,400
we'll keep it top secret so right right

1639
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,839
yeah it's the government that's how this

1640
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,839
stuff works yeah

1641
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,240
so mike tell us about uh what you've got

1642
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,839
planned what you got coming up in the

1643
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,839
future and how people can get in contact

1644
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,559
with you uh so my website is mike

1645
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,549
um you can find my amazon page link

1646
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:52,720
there as well i've got uh

1647
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,760
other books out uh currently um

1648
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,839
including my dark fantasy trilogy in

1649
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,280
which i cover

1650
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:02,000
things like tulpas and and uh thought

1651
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,520
forms and other stuff

1652
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,480
um

1653
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,960
that's the enigma twilight falls trilogy

1654
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,880
right and um

1655
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,720
i've also got i've also got a book the

1656
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,960
prince of earth which treats the big

1657
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,119
grey man of ben mcdewie

1658
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,520
in scotland yeah oh that's i could go i

1659
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,799
could go through a lot with that one

1660
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,079
that's that's something i'm very

1661
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,000
interested in oh yeah i know that that

1662
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,839
was that was something i found

1663
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,760
that i came across in the unexplained

1664
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,920
the the book by carl shuker

1665
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:29,200
and uh

1666
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,559
so yeah and i've got a few others there

1667
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,799
i've got an anthologies listed that

1668
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,839
where my short stories appear

1669
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,680
um i've got one book that dream shores

1670
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,079
which is sort of my homage to uh ray

1671
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,319
harryhausen uh stop motion animation

1672
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,400
films absolutely that's that's a little

1673
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:46,400
bit more lighthearted uh

1674
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,559
and but it also treats and talks about

1675
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,160
you know after the afterlife and things

1676
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like that so cool um yeah there's always

1677
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some element of of

1678
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for tiana

1679
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um

1680
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,640
and the other the other book that that's

1681
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:00,799
that's out too is uh called the atheist

1682
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,440
which is sort of like a fictionalized

1683
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,599
richard dawkins who has a near-death

1684
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,079
experience and then has to reconcile

1685
00:59:13,109 --> 00:59:10,799
um wow you know new questions with his

1686
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,119
public persona and it's of course

1687
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,599
typical with with following in in in

1688
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,280
line with the the spirit of skunk

1689
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,440
semester it's it doesn't offer any

1690
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,920
definitive answers so it it's

1691
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,160
neither religious nor is it

1692
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,319
secular in its viewpoint it just kind of

1693
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:28,880
celebrates the unknown

1694
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,599
interesting well i tell you have a happy

1695
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,240
holiday and you want to kind of contact

1696
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,960
with me my email is open to you

1697
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,280
uh just feel free to contact me and i

1698
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:40,640
think you and i have a lot of good

1699
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,079
conversations absolutely yeah for sure

1700
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,839
thanks for coming home of course thank

1701
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,680
you vincent

1702
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:49,040
great take care

1703
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:55,040
so

1704
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,190
yeah i know i'm kind of a

1705
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,280
some pregnant pause here now if you have

1706
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,880
an unexplained encounter or something

1707
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,319
feel free to contact me through the

1708
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,480
phantoms of monsters blog site

1709
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,400
uh i want to again thank mike robinson

1710
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:12,160
for joining me this evening and thanks

1711
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:13,760
to each and all you for watching and

1712
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,400
chatting if you made a super chat

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01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:18,400
donation it's truly appreciated your

1714
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,200
support is what makes this possible so

1715
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,079
please like subscribe and share now next

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01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,280
week

1717
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,200
uh i'm gonna

1718
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,200
i had a cancellation

1719
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:31,200
from a guest i was supposed to have on

1720
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,640
so what i'm gonna do

1721
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,319
i'm gonna have a question and answer

1722
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:35,839
show so

1723
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,119
any questions on any case uh you know be

1724
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:41,440
sure to join us in the chat room

1725
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:45,440
and we can discuss any current past case

1726
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,280
uh as well other subjects you have on

1727
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,200
your mind so uh

1728
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,119
i may also have a guest or two joining

1729
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,599
in i know vincent will be here so be

1730
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,839
sure to join us for uh what promises to

1731
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,839
be an interesting and entertaining show

1732
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,720
so

1733
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:01,040
until next week stay healthy and have a

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01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:24,110
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